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Is cannibalism really that bad? I know the thought of eating someone else should stir up some sort of an emotion in me but it doesn't. Meat is meat in my opinion. Why should it matter if it came from a cow or your brother who fell off a tree or something? Theres this movie I remember watching called "Alive!" about a soccer team that got stranded in the mountains. They ate each-other and came out ok. Some of them pretended like it was a big deal at first but after a while they were were pigging down on their dead no problem. Even the pope was proud of them.


The idea that cannibalism is bad is a cultural construct, prove me wrong

Would you eat dead people in an emergency SHTF scenario?

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People in North Korea practice cannibalism because of the lack of food. It just becomes a fact of life when you're hungry and want to eat to survive. It's definitely one situation I wouldn't ever want to find out what I would do.

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1 - how long have they been dead ?

2 - were they fairly healthy when they died ?


maybe . . .

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1) Less than an hour

2) Yes healthy and padded

the best meats in the rump

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You want eeky?

I read a story about a guy marooned on an island with a first aid kit and plenty of morphine.

Who else do you eat when you're alone?

(Was fiction)

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Didn't vote in the poll, but don't think I could do the cannibalism thing. Let's hope it never comes to that.

On the other hand, one benefit not listed in the poll would be an "unlimited food supply" in your lifetime.

Talk about 2 opposite view points...

But I think I'll stick to the food from the earth and the hoof, for as long as I can.

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Fiction or not, getting stoned would be low on my priority list after being recently marooned on an island. Natives to remote areas like that will eat bugs, fruits, plants, fish and any meat bearing animals they can kill. Food and shelter come first. Getting stoned is for after you've accomplished something. lol

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Dude- he ate HIMSELF...

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I voted no... but who knows what my state of mind will be if I am starving to death? The way I see it, I would be a completely different person at that point, delirious with hunger and simply not sane.

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Is the meat certified organic and FDA approved?

Also, I'm not certain I want to chew on anybody who was previously undergoing a regime of psychopharmacology or hormone replacement therapy.

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I read the same story, ladyfingers? As I read the story I could not stop thinking why diden't the guy just learn to go for some shellfish, set fishtraps and get palm nuts?
But why bother, he had 2 lbs of herioin
If we are talking about the same tale.

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I wasn't commenting on the fictional storyline. The point I was making was that of not getting stoned immediately and chewing on yourself vs. actually trying to survive and co-exist in the habitat you're stranded in. I'm just sayin'...


I should have said I just don't like "liver and fauve beans" and left it at that.

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This is not an old idea. The Irish had a slight famine problem where the idea of cannibalism was presented.


A MODEST PROPOSAL

By Jonathan Swift

FOR PREVENTING THE CHILDREN OF POOR PEOPLE IN IRELAND FROM BEING A BURDEN TO THEIR PARENTS OR COUNTRY, AND FOR MAKING THEM BENEFICIAL TO THE PUBLIC

IT IS a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of other projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in the computation. It is true, a child just dropped from its dam may be supported by her milk for a solar year, with little other nourishment; at most not above the value of 2s., which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us! sacrificing the poor innocent babes I doubt more to avoid the expense than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couples who are able to maintain their own children, although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom; but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remains one hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, how this number shall be reared and provided for, which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing, till they arrive at six years old, except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier, during which time, they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers, as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old is no salable commodity; and even when they come to this age they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half-a-crown at most on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriment and rags having been at least four times that value.

I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.

I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar's child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, laborers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants; the mother will have eight shillings net profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which artificially dressed will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

As to our city of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service; and these to be disposed of by their parents, if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me, from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable; and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission be a loss to the public, because they soon would become breeders themselves; and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice (although indeed very unjustly), as a little bordering upon cruelty; which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, however so well intended.

But in order to justify my friend, he confessed that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality as a prime dainty; and that in his time the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty's prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court, in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed, and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken to ease the nation of so grievous an encumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known that they are every day dying and rotting by cold and famine, and filth and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young laborers, they are now in as hopeful a condition; they cannot get work, and consequently pine away for want of nourishment, to a degree that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labor, they have not strength to perform it; and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance. For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation as well as our most dangerous enemies; and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to distress and help to pay their landlord's rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old and upward, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a-piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, beside the profit of a new dish introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among ourselves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns; where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection, and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating: and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards or enforced by laws and penalties. It would increase the care and tenderness of mothers toward their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the public, to their annual profit instead of expense. We should see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives during the time of their pregnancy as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, their sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barreled beef, the propagation of swine's flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well-grown, fat, yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a lord mayor's feast or any other public entertainment. But this and many others I omit, being studious of brevity.

Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for Infant's Flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses, and the rest of the Kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the Kingdom. This I freely own, and 'twas indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: of using neither clothes, nor household furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: of quitting our animosities, and factions, nor act any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: of teaching our landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, till he hath at least some glimpse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

But as to my self, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expense and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, the flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, as things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for an hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, there being a round million of creatures in human figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock would leave them in debt two millions of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession to the bulk of farmers, cottagers, and laborers, with their wives and children who are beggars in effect: I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold as to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food, at a year old in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes as they have since gone through by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of entailing the like or greater miseries upon their breed for ever.

I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavoring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the public good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.

THE END

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I Think I read the same story Mone is referring to and it is bizzare to say the least.
But it a story that can be followed and will keep your attention, its well written.

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Not disputing that at all. But many years ago I remember reading a book (Alive??) about plane crash survivors who resorted to eating their dead. That was enough on the topic for me.

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That's the one. :D

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Dude I'm trying to place it now. Wasn't that in a collection of Alfrerd Hitchcock short stories?
That was a while back and one of the old books I have.

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I just have to add that Colorado University has a restaurant called the 'Alferd Packer Grill'.

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Found the story!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor_Type

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CANNIBAL: Someone who is fed up with people.

The Catholic Church says cannibalism is okay under extreme conditions (like Peruvian airliner crashes) those who have eaten human flesh say that it taste like ham, thus its nickname of �long pig.�
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Cannibalism, eating of human flesh by human beings. The term cannibalism is derived from Canibales, the Spanish name for the reputedly man-eating Carib Native Americans who lived in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place>West Indies</st1:place> when Christopher Columbus arrived. The practice of cannibalism has been reported in many parts of the world. Some indications point to its practice as early as Neolithic times. The Greek historian Herodotus and other ancient writers described various cannibalistic peoples. In medieval times the Italian traveler Marco Polo reported that tribes from Tibet to Sumatra practiced cannibalism. It was practiced among many Native North Americans, especially the tribes of the western coast of the Gulf of Mexico. Until recent times cannibalism was believed to prevail in central and western Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Melanesia, Sumatra, New Guinea, Polynesia, and remote parts of South America.
Several motives have been proposed for the practice of cannibalism. In some cultures, it was believed that the person who ate the dead body of another would acquire the desired qualities of the person eaten, particularly of a brave enemy. In a few instances, cannibalism might have been dictated by no other motive than revenge. It was even believed that an enemy's spirit would be utterly destroyed if the body were eaten, thus leaving nothing in which the ghost could live. Cannibalism was sometimes part of a religious practice. The Binderwurs of central <st1:country-region><st1:place>India</st1:place></st1:country-region> ate their sick and aged in the belief that the act was pleasing to their goddess, Kali. In <st1:country-region><st1:place>Mexico</st1:place></st1:country-region>, thousands of human victims were sacrificed annually by the Aztecs to their deities. After the ceremony of sacrifice, the priests and the populace ate the bodies of the victims, believing that this would bring them closer to their gods.
Among Western peoples cannibalism is rare, although starvation has sometimes driven humans to eat the flesh of other humans. One instance in America involved members of the ill-fated Donner party in the Sierra Nevada in California during the winter of 1846-1847. Another occurred in Chile in 1972, when 16 members of a Uruguayan soccer team survived for 70 days after their airliner crashed in the Andes Mountains.

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9> You often wake up to find your hand in a pot of warm water -- with potatoes and carrots. <o:p></o:p>
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8> Always clipping those "Flabby White Guy Helper" coupons. <o:p></o:p>
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7> All the empty McDonner's containers he leaves around the apartment. <o:p></o:p>
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6> Maybe he said "head of lettuce" when you asked about what was wrapped up the refrigerator, but it sure sounded like "head of Cleatus." <o:p></o:p>
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5> Every day, the same routine -- he comes home from med school and lets loose a big, loud, formaldehyde-smelling burp. <o:p></o:p>
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4> Nervously changes the channel whenever "Cannibals Caught on Tape" comes on. <o:p></o:p>
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3> The tubby kid from across the hall is missing; she's trying to decide which windows to click down on her Richard Simmons Food Planner. <o:p></o:p>
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2> Well, *you* sure didn't buy that box of BitchQuick in the cupboard. <o:p></o:p>
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1> When you ask what he wants on the pizza, he always says, "Ask if they have buttocks."<o:p></o:p>

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I'd love to know who the hardcore voters selecting the no prob option are.

If ever they invite me over I'd know what to expect.

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This is why I plan on being WAY up in the wilderness WTSHTF. You have to catch us before you can make a meal of us.!!!

And no one is eating my kids, dog or pet possum either!!! :favorites21:

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Stephen King, "Ladyfingers" I think it was.

Stupid actually. With that much morphine you wouldn't be hungry for long....:SLEEP:

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Quiche Lorraine or Fettucine Alfredo...yummy...not.

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Click the results numbers...

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Or my cats if I can help it!

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QWAK,Avalon,Max and others -- Real GUT wrenching HUNGER will change your minds!:yes:

Actualy your brain will sort of go on AUTO PILOT and do its best to survive and create CRAVINGS that can NOT be supressed, even YUCKEY stuff that has got what you NEED will taist like AMBROSIA!:yes::s1:

There is a TIME for ALL things but "IT" is never the RIGHT TIME for EVERY THING!:yes::s1:

Lets just HOPE -- "THAT" time will not be a part of your LIFE experiences and with preps "IT" is HIGHLY unlikely that "IT" will be!:wink::s1:

NEVER say NEVER because NEVER is FOREVER and THAT makes ALL things a POSABILITY!:thinkey::yes::s1:

the DUCK

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Duck, I just don't want to hang around if it gets like that :(

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The Donner-Atkins diet!

:s10:

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I always thought the ritual cannibalism in Heinlein's classic Stanger in a Strange Land was kind of cool. Of course, I was raised Catholic, with the nuns always telling us the communion Host was the literal body of Christ, so I grok the whole cannibalism/communion thing.

I answered that I would eat human flesh but it would be difficult. I think there are circumstances under which it wouldn't be hard at all, though. From the other side of the coin, if things were that bad and I died, I would hope my friends would have the sense to cannibalize me.

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QWAK,I like COLD CHICKEN and found a place in town that sells me nice big chicken brests 1/2 price when they are left over from the night before:yes::s1: I got to say "COLD DUCK" sounds OK to me TOO -- as long as I don't have to KILL the DUCK!:s1:

Somthing gona EAT ME some DAY -- better it be PEOPLE and "IT" would be nice if the knew me and cared -- but "IT" is not nessary!:hahaha::rose: Chow DOWN and LIVE LONG and PROSPER -- NANU nanu!:s1::hahaha::haha:

the DUCK

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GOLD DUCK, wouldn't "cold duck" be cannibalism for you? :wink:

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In order to appease you pro-cannibal forces, I would be willing to allow you to eat any one person on one day a year, perhaps today, the Fourth of July.

And the person must be someone who lives with you.

Start thinking; the Fourth of July is soon over. Get the gun.
Fire up the grill. :smile:

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This book is worth reading and considering on this note.

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Day-Road.../dp/B000LMPL4W

I have just finished reading it. It is about a lot more than cannibalism, but it does feature as a theme. One gathers from the book that the Canadian Indians consider the eating of a dead body highly taboo, even when done under great duress, and that it renders the eater both more and less than human afterwards - turns them into a sort of demon. Kills the soul, removes the humanity.

By the way it is also a GREAT way to pick up horrendous diseases, to habitually eat your own species. The taboo is not for nothing.

Duck Egg, who does what to each other in the event of the break down of civilization and under extreme starvation is indeed a very deep issue. In this very sad book a starving Indian lady feeds herself and her baby on her dead husband's body. But she goes mad. Worth the price?:eek_ma:

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QWAK,Jonas Parker, "COLD DUCK" or "Blue Nun" are acceptable to me,I injoy sweet German Wines!:s1::yes::hahaha::haha::haha:

the DUCK

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The Windigo, I presume? One can see the need to make cannibalism a strong taboo in societies that had to regularly worry about starvation. The temptation to eat the dead would be strong, and hunger can drive men mad. There could be a great temptation to take a life in order to cannibalize the body. I imagine that temptation would be especially strong in cultures such as many of the Native American ones, where one must be a warrior in order to be counted a man and where war against neighboring tribes was common, and thus, most men would have had experience with killing other humans.

None of us knows how he or she would really behave under such duress. I've read stories about American prisoners on Japanese prison ships in WWII. Locked into blazingly hot holds on shipboard, packed together so tightly they couldn't even sit and left with no water or food or sanitation and with the holds shut against even air circulation, men went mad by the scores and, desperate with thirst, they began slitting one another's throats to drink the blood. One man spoke of seeing a son go mad and try to slit his own father's throat. Yet, though they all suffered, not every man turned murderous.

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You may want to read about the siege of stalingrad and what happend there.Or maybe not.

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I was kidding when I voted no problem... anyone wanna come over for dinner? :D

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Yeah sure MONE. :yes:

I bet you didn't look to see if the poll was public b4 u voted.

Now you are guaranteed to NEVER have any GIM members come over for dinner. :hahaha:

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Ah come on, it tastes just like chicken........ so I heard....

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There is a reason the South Sea Islanders call cooked Human LONG PIG.

Actually - as a person who loves to cook, and has shared scores of recipes on this site over the years - I have to admit - I DO know how to cook man.....its one of those things you learn as a chef in case you are ever in one of those disasters situations where the plane falls in the snowy mountains and they intend to eat a passenger to stay alive - if you know how to cook roast leg of man, chances are they won't pick YOU to eat! You say "Hey, don't eat me, I am the only one here who knows how to cook it right!"

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As I said to someone who wanted to see my recipes - that's not a recipe I share - with my luck I'll be on the downed plane and you will too - and you'll be there pointing at me going - " I can cook it too - and look at him - he's fatter, he'll be more tender!"

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I'm in the "No way, Jose" camp.

But if you would consider it, remember the old maxim: It isn't WHAT you know, it's WHO you know.


:emotions16:

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I don't eat much meat as it is, but if I were starving? You betcha I'd eat people!

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Eating family, no - that would just seem wrong. But if it came down to that being my only source of food, you bet I would. My neighbour is a big beefy (chickeny?) rugby player, and god forbid I ever had to shoot him, and I was starving - I'd be straight in there with the knife and fork. I like my steak near raw anyway, so maybe I'd walk past the body with a lit cigarette first to make sure he was cooked to my preference. :D
We are all just meat after all - just intelligent meat. But meat isn't intelligent once it's dead...

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My neighbors are too gristly, and that cute French girl doesn't have enough meat on her bones, but that guy that jogs past my house every morning? Yeah, he'd be the first one I'd toss on the grill.

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maybe this will solve the immigration problem lol!!!!11!!!!oneone

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QWAK,Sclorch,Now you know how TACO BELL got so big SO FAST --- low cost for MEAT and unlimited supply!:hahaha::yes::s1:

the DUCK

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Ever heard of Prions?

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Prions are indeed a concern........

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Keep in mind, eating the body of someone who has starved to death will have almost no nutritional value - like feeding straw to cattle. You'll only be able to survive by eating fresh, healthy bodies - i.e. other survivalists.

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not sure why but my girl and I where talking about this last month while trolling in a canoe down a lazy canal river....
Anyways, we're not sure if we could, but we both agreed we'd head to the water, we both know how to fish and I know a lot about gardening and what foliage is okay to eat. We would try that first....

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LOL
And after the neighbors were gone your family would start to look good. :yes:

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I said "Maybe", meaning "I'd have to chew on this one for awhile..."

One never knows what one is capable of when faced with extreme hunger.

I wouldn't eschew the possibility.



This gives a whole new meaning to the phrase: "Tongue in cheek..."

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or foot in mouth...
Bite the hand that feeds you....

Sorry got carried away!!!!

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There are some things a human should not do.
Having said that, humans have free will.
Chew what you will.

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Prions = Cannibalism both in Cows and Humans:

You Can't Kill What Isn't Alive ...

Prions cannot be destroyed by boiling, alcohol, acid, standard autoclaving methods, or radiation. In fact, infected brains that have been sitting in formaldehyde for decades can still transmit spongiform disease. Cooking your burger 'til it's well done won't destroy the prions! The cows got if from feed containing other cows.

Kuru ...

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The benefits of cannibalism - None.:thumbs do

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QWAK,If the choice is STARVING to death NOW or dieing from PRIONS in 20+ years -- My guess is HUMAN shiskabobs is on the MENUE and people will deal with what comes when and if it comes.:s1:

We are ALL FOOD for other living things -- just usualy NOT the same species as the one doing the eating!:yes:

the DUCK

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Your opinion, Sir Duck. But even as a "survivalist", there are some thresholds I will not cross. Survival "at any cost" is not part of the plan; there comes a point where one goes past the boundaries of being human, and cannibalism is one of them. Perhaps it is my belief in the soul, and the idea not only of a continued existence somewhere else, but of a reckoning for the acts committed in this life.

Trader_Eric said --and this is one more part of it--it isn't as if otherwise healthy people are going to suddenly die and leave you a yummy, fattened carcass. You are going to have to kill people who very likely would make it if you hadn't stopped them.

I do not believe in a vengeful Creator, but I still would not want to face Him on this one.

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QWAK,Unclad Lad,That which YOU ARE is NOT a BODY!:yes:

Your BODY is just a VEHICLE made of MEAT and BONE!:hahaha::thinkey:

GOD/Nature recicles ALL every thing -- one way or another!:s1:

Obviously KILLING people for FOOD is WRONG and OVER the TOP but to EAT the DEAD to KEEP living is NOT WRONG just an unfortunate situation and bad timing!:s10::wavey:

To eat people when there is NO NEED -- shows BAD TAIST:hahaha::puke: and is generly forbiden by all the laws/rules of MAN.:yes::s1:

Ever since Man started roaming the earth hunting and gathering this issue has ocasionaly come up and has always been a TABOO but has also been used as a viable SURVIVAL tecnique.:yes:

Mostly people like to think or believe they would NEVER eat another person -- but then they also expect that the SITUATION ware it is "THAT" or "DEATH by STARVATION" -- will NEVER occure to THEM, so THEY realy DON'T know what they would ACTUALY do.:thinkey::yes:

the DUCK

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Sir Duck,

Let me reply with this joke:

At a formal party with many high society members in attendance, a distinguished-looking elderly gentleman approached a lovely young woman and said, "My dear, you are surely the most beautiful creature in this room. If I were to offer you a million dollars, would you spend the night with me?"

The lady blushed and said, "Yes, I'd do that".

The elderly gentleman pulled a bill out of his pocket and said, "Here's fifty bucks--let's go".

The young lad pulled back with a horrified expression and said, "Fifty dollars!! What kind of woman do you think I am??"

The man replied, "We've already determined what kind of woman you are. Now we're merely haggling over price".

---

Understand?

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Prions mainly live in nervous tissue like the brain, spinal cord, etc. A good "human sirloin" should be fine. With a nice Chianti...

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it would really suck if you ate a person to avoid starving to death and then ended up starving to death later after you'd eaten the person.

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QWAK,Interesting post on this subject I just came across.
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'New CJD type' discovered in US

The patients' brains had the familiar spongy tissue make-up
A new form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) may have been uncovered in a handful of patients in the US.

Ten people have so far died from a fast-advancing form of fatal dementia called PSPr, New Scientist reports.

Patients develop the trademark brain damage associated with CJD - the type not linked to BSE - but scientists believe there may be a genetic cause.

Experts in the UK are now checking records to see if any cases have happened across the Atlantic.

There are between 50 and 100 new cases of so-called sporadic CJD diagnosed in the UK every year.

Unlike "variant CJD", the human form of BSE in cows contracted by eating contaminated brain tissue in the 1980s and 1990s, the cause of most cases of sporadic CJD is unknown.

The new cases were referred to CJD surveillance units in the US because they were a suspiciously fast-advancing form of dementia with additional symptoms such as the loss of the ability to speak and move, even though traditional tests that normally help diagnose CJD proved negative.

Post-mortems on those who died revealed the familiar "spongy" brain tissue, covered with tiny holes.

These are thought to be caused by the accumulation of "prions", a misshapen version of a normal brain protein.

'Unnoticed'

Dr Pierluigi Gambetti, director of the US National Prion Disease Pathology Surveillance Center, in Ohio, said that he believed the newly discovered type had probably "been around for years, unnoticed".

He suggested one interesting common factor was that the patients came from families with a history of dementia, suggesting a genetic cause, but did not carry the gene traditionally associated with a small number of sporadic CJD cases.

Dr Mark Head, from the UK's National CJD Surveillance Unit, in Edinburgh, said the finding had prompted scientists to start reviewing cases of sporadic CJD in this country to see if there were any of the newly discovered version.

He said: "What is interesting about this is that it may mean there are other genes out there waiting to be found which are associated with prion disease, and looking at these patients in the US could help find them."
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Prions are so new a discovery that scientists have not been looking for them and most likely they have always been part of our life experience and we just did not realise what was going on.

Just the same IF "IT" comes down to STARVE to death NOW or DEMENTIA in 10 or 20 years ---> fire up the BBQ and pass the A1 sauce!:hahaha::s1:

the DUCK

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Absolutely not. Can't stand the taste.

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This is unbelievable. Except for a couple of you, all seem to be OK with eating human flesh. SICK SICK PEOPLE:mad_m:

If ever faced with starvation, I would ingest arsenic and mercury, try to catch AIDS, and short of that, infect myself with the Avian Flu Virus, so as to poison every single one of you.

And that, my friends, is:
The downside of cannibalism:emotions16:
Enjoy!:hahaha:

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Ewwwww...........when TSHTF, see if we ever let you cook for the rest of us.............

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QWAK,anywoundedduck,When was the last time you had NOTHING to eat for more than 24 hours?:questionm How about 3 days or perhaps 5?:questionm:hahaha::s1:

I bet you have a MIND change well befor 7 DAYS!:yes::thinkey:


Actualy being HUNGRY realy does change brain chemistry and the previously UNTHINKABLE becomes totaly LOGICAL,rational even REASONABLE -- perhaps even a CRAVING that is way beyond your ability to IGNORE!:yes:

After just a fiew days of nothing to eat even the nastiest FOOD you can imagin will taist like AMBROSIA and you will relish the flavor ware befor even the smell made you want to PUKE!:yes:

Right NOW fat and full you say YOU would DO thoes other things but YOU are just IMAGINING and wanting to believe what you are imagining because society has said and tought you that EATING PEOPLE is the greatist posable TABOO.:thinkey::yes::s1:

the DUCK

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Why wouldn't people just eat raw foods and wild edibles, food is all around, we jus need to re-educate ourselves. Minor's lettuce, mushrooms, lamb's Quarter, dandelions. They also have more nutrition than human meat. Has anyone read the "Road" By Cormac McCarthy, there's few passages about canabalism. Spolier Alert Somewhere in the book some people are roasting a baby on a skewer. If I'm not mistaken it was their own baby. Yeah ,a real WSHTF situation for your azz.

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:signs14:I once saw a xxx film where a woman ---Sorry, I think I got off track for a minute. No, I couldn't --wouldn't do that. Looks like it would be NASTY. :confused_ma:

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Think I read the same story...was is Stephen King? or Dean Koontz?

I seem to recall that he had broken legs or something like that, which is why he couldn't hunt...

Gonna have to dig that one up & read it again!

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The bible talks against eating dead things. You should never eating anything that is already dead unless you saw it die and it died in an acceptable manner (i.e. a pigeon got hit by a truck). A healthy looking dead animal could have the worst disease imaginable. Stay away!

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Ugh! I wondered how/who/why this horrible thread got bumped.

He was NOT talking about pigeon's here! Nor hit by trucks either!

But take your chances in your meat dept at Tesco, or wherever too, as some of that healthy looking meat is not so. Beware of the pork! Sausages especially!

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This sounds like a Gunkid thread. "Long pig" was on the top of his post SHTF cuisine.

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Deserves a page 3.

:10_1_20:

................. or can you have more than 40 posts per page and I'm just a moron?

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Wonder what Hyper Tiger's taste like? Frog's legs?

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................but they're only for the top. We're the bottom.

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Given where Gunkid is these days he's probably eating men now...

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Amazing! This poll suggests that approximately 65% of GIM member posters have already chosen to become Zombies.

Starving to death just doesn't scare me. Once, I fasted for 9 days and could easily have continued fasting... no pain, no insanity, just a slowing down of the metabolism and a general sense of well being. 9 days is nothing compared to others who have fasted for a month or more. Good grief, if you can't find a few nuts, grubs or a rat to munch on in a months time before you start chewing on your neighbors leg, well then, you may as well just blow your own head off now because you're already too stupid, insane, or psycho-spiritually dead to survive shit.

I realize posting on the internet is mostly just play acting and goofing around, but get this:
If you've truly already decided that eating your neighbor is a viable survival option, then you've already made the choice. You already ARE a ZOMBIE. A psychopath. A cancerous cell in the body of civilization, wide open and ready to consume the cells around you in the vacuous notion that you can somehow out-survive humanity.
The irony is that those same choices, right now, are what make up the conceptual premises of humanity.

If a better, more humane world is at all important to you, then you really aught to cross your neighbors off the grocery list.

This thread is reminiscent of that South Park episode where the little group of townspeople get trapped in a snowbank and within a few minutes decide to eat Eric Roberts. Funny as hell, but I didn't realize it was so funny precisely because it's so true.

It's so ironic that 65% of enlightened GIM'ies are so quick to opine the moral degradation of current society(ha, what a laugh) and yet are more than happy to consider eating their nameless faceless neighbor down the street. Giving a high five for premeditated cannibalism.

This thread makes a good case against the ideals of self determination and Libertarian principles.

Hey, whatever happened to Jerry, one of my favorite posters.

Did one of you Zombies eat him already? :bear_cry: :moon:

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I have asked myself this on several occasions. I guess I'm one of those people who wouldn't have a problem with it. My personal beliefs don't place a lot of emphasis on the human body, except as a vessel that contains the soul. "Ashes to ashes." Once the soul is gone, the body becomes just another chunk of flesh; albeit so polluted that the USDA would grade it unfit for human consumption. I process my own rabbits, chickens, and occasionally deer. I can't imagine a human form would be much different.

If in my death, I knew that several people could survive, I say eat me. The fact is: I'm dead. I don't give a patootie what becomes of my body afterwards. I've told my family this as well. After I'm gone, bury me in a pine box, burn me, toss me overboard... It doesn't bother me. Just please make sure I'm good and dead first.

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Lee Hayes of the late great Weaver's had a great interview when

Dying, of cancer, I believe.

He really wanted to be buried in his beloved compost pile.

"Course, the damn gummint would have none of that.


scyth

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When this thread first came up I found it one of the most disturbing things I have ever read.

I probably posted it before when it first came out. When I was a little kid my teacher's sister was a nurse on a medivac flight that crashed up North. She and the patient died in the accident, but there was some evidence that she had been partly eaten prior to rescue. I have no idea where that episode went, in the end, and it was ages ago.

Though starvation is a terrible thing, and drives people to extremes, and I do believe those not in the immediate situation cannot judge, I have been shocked by the calm, premeditated discussion on this thread of this, last ditch thing, to anyone civilized, being a viable possibility.

I hope it IS all internet bravado, that is all I can say.

This thread has saddened me before, and does now.

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Good thread, I do not want that meal, but we do what we must...:puke: